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Andrew Cutler's avatar

>Curiously, I don’t believe anyone has considered the opposite: rather than considering whether the Pirahã disprove the universality of grammar in humans, maybe their language suggests Pirahã aren’t entirely human?

This was the subtext of the debate between Everett and Chomsky. Chomsky said recursion makes us human. Everett finds people without recursion and then says, "you're not going to say these people are anything less, right?" Even while providing dozens of examples of the Piraha not grokking the human condition. In his next book, Dark Matter of the Mind, he rederives atman---no-self---and says that having a self is culturally constructed. The following year he wrote How Language Began, which argues that language has existed for 2 million years, back with the emergence of our genus. This all follows the assumption that there is not a neurological difference. He spent decades with the Piraha, but never collected any DNA because he didn't want to look racist (his explanation). (Nevermind that if a village in Appalacia displayed half the oddities of the Piraha a genetic test would be the first thing done.) In the end, this didn't work. Based on his description of their lifestyle linguists in Brazil got together to deny his government permit to see them. Ostensibly this was done for the protection of the piraha, but they obviously love him and he has helped them protect their land. But clearly the linguists were protecting their blank slate theories from information that was difficult to explain.

To your point about the Piraha being from before Noah, I suspect that may literally be true. Though I would go back further, to Eden. I think that the Fruit of Knowledge is a metaphor for understanding yourself as a moral agent who will one day die. Culture with that understanding baked in spread worldwide around the end of the Ice Age along with serpent worship and stories of women making the discovery of self-as-agent. There were people in the Americas before that cultural package arrived ~15kya, and maybe the Piraha are the sole holdout. They have no ritual, no religion, and no god. Though Everett makes one exception: they will sometimes dance with venomous snakes.

You may enjoy my grand theory about the role of a primeval snake cult which spread with self-awareness. Maybe the Piraha are drop-outs: https://www.vectorsofmind.com/p/the-snake-cult-of-consciousness

Quote from Don't Sleep in which the snake dance is described:

“Pirahãs have told me about a dance in which live venomous snakes are used, though I have never seen one of these (such dances were corroborated, however, by the eyewitness account of the Apurinã inhabitants of Ponto Sete, before the Pirahãs dispersed them). In this dance, the regular dancing is preceded by the appearance of a man wearing only a headband of buriti palm and a waistband, with streamers, made entirely of narrow, yellow paxiuba palm leaves. The Pirahã man so dressed claims to be Xaítoii, a (usually) evil spirit whose name means “long tooth.” The man comes out of the jungle into the clearing where the others are gathered to dance and tells his audience that he is strong, unafraid of snakes, and then tells them about where he lives in the jungle, and what he has been doing that day. This is all sung. As he sings, he tosses snakes at the feet of the audience, who all scramble away quickly.

These spirits appear in dances in which the man playing the role of the spirit claims to have encountered that spirit and claims to be possessed by that spirit.”

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Anatoly Karlin's avatar

> The Orks are the pinnacle of creation. For them, the great struggle is won. They have evolved a society which knows no stress or angst. Who are we to judge them? We Eldar who have failed, or the Humans, on the road to ruin in their turn? And why? Because we sought answers to questions that an Ork wouldn’t even bother to ask! We see a culture that is strong and despise it as crude.

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